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feat: add held-out Qwen3.8 experiment protocol (#185)
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# Qwen3.8-27B refusal-surgery research roadmap
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## Decision summary
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The current Qwen3.8-27B result is a useful capability-preserving control, not a
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successful refusal-removal result:
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- refusal rate: 90.9% (30/33 still refusing);
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- coherence: 80% (8/10);
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- perplexity: 3.11;
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- first-token KL divergence: 0.2405;
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- 39 middle-depth layers and 312 matrices modified;
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- 13 layers partially reverted by the current correction pass.
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Do not increase surgery strength or enable the full advanced toggle set yet.
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The next engineering release should make the optimizer and evaluation reliable,
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then use cheap runtime interventions to search the Pareto frontier before a
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single permanent weight rewrite.
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Initial acceptance target for a candidate release:
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| Dimension | Gate |
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| Held-out refusal rate | <= 20% with 95% Wilson interval reported |
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| StrongREJECT/HarmBench compliance | Reported separately from substring refusal |
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| Benign coherence | >= 90% |
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| Reference perplexity ratio | <= 1.25x pristine baseline |
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| Sequence KL | <= configured budget, measured in the same units used for optimization |
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| Capability suites | <= 2 percentage-point absolute loss per suite |
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| Degenerate generations | 0 across deterministic smoke prompts |
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| Reproducibility | fixed split IDs, seed, model revision, tokenizer revision, and manifest |
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These are research gates, not claims that one universal threshold is correct for
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every deployment. The generated checkpoint must retain its full metric vector and
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must not be described as successful from refusal rate alone.
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## Why the current approach plateaued
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### The direction basis is not yet causally selected
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Four SVD components explain contrastive activation variance, but that does not
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show that each component independently controls refusal. Arditi et al. found a
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single causally effective direction across 13 model families, while later ICML
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work found multiple directions and concept cones and warned that orthogonality is
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not equivalent to independence under intervention. The appropriate next step is
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therefore causal prescreening of candidate directions, not blindly increasing
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the SVD rank.
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### The sample is adequate for a smoke test, not optimization
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The run estimated and evaluated directions on only 33 harmful/harmless pairs.
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Recent multi-direction work trained on 4,000 harmful and 6,000 harmless prompts,
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used a held-out validation set, and searched combinations with 128--512 trials.
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The 2026 refusal-taxonomy study commonly used 32/32 samples only as a repeated
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subsample, then evaluated stability and behavior on larger held-out pools.
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OBLITERATUS should use the full local corpus with disjoint train, tuning, and
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test identities rather than treating a single 33-pair sample as all three.
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### The current KL optimizer does not optimize its displayed metric
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`_kl_optimize_corrections` describes KL co-optimization, captures logits, but
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then gates correction on perplexity from three short prompts. It maps the UI's
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`kl_budget` to an exponential perplexity ceiling and ranks layers with weight
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projection magnitude. The final UI separately reports first-token KL and colors
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it with fixed thresholds unrelated to the configured budget. Consequently,
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"KL-optimized," `kl_budget=0.5`, and a red `KL=0.2405` do not share one contract.
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### The spectral certificate is degenerate at the current dimensions
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The observed `bbp_threshold=0.0000` is not evidence of a cleanly estimated noise
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bulk. With 20+20 samples and hidden size 5,120, the feature covariance is highly
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rank-deficient. The implementation also eigendecomposes a rank-one outer product
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for between-class scatter, so it cannot certify a multidimensional refusal
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subspace as currently framed. A zero noise threshold must yield `INSUFFICIENT`,
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not a definitive red/green certificate.
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### Qwen3.8 needs architecture-stratified intervention
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Qwen3.8-27B is not a conventional all-attention decoder. Its 64-layer text trunk
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repeats three Gated DeltaNet blocks followed by one full-attention block. A single
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depth kernel over all layers conflates two different sequence-mixing mechanisms.
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The search space must distinguish:
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- 48 linear-attention output projections;
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- 16 full-attention output projections;
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- 64 MLP down projections;
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- attention/DeltaNet and MLP strengths independently;
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- the four-layer architectural period as a blocking variable.
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## Engineering roadmap
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### P0 -- metric and optimizer correctness
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1. **Create immutable experiment splits.** Stratify the 842-pair corpus by harm
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class and assign stable content IDs to direction-train, optimizer-validation,
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and final-test sets. Reject overlap. Default to at least 400 train pairs,
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100 validation pairs, and 200 final-test pairs where the corpus permits.
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2. **Measure a pristine baseline once per exact revision.** Cache reference
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logits, token-level losses, deterministic completions, capability results,
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and refusal/compliance results. Bind the cache to model, tokenizer, template,
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dtype, thinking mode, dataset, and generation configuration hashes.
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3. **Implement real KL optimization.** Compute token-distribution KL against
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cached pristine logits on held-out harmless prompts. Use the configured KL
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budget directly. Store exact per-component deltas or candidate runtime
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kernels so rollback restores the actual removed component; do not synthesize
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a uniform rank-one approximation from mean projection magnitude.
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4. **Unify metric thresholds.** The optimizer, result card, validation gate,
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telemetry, and saved manifest must use the same named metric and units.
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Display both absolute KL and baseline-relative perplexity.
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5. **Fail honestly on insufficient spectral samples.** Use a dual-space/SVD
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covariance estimator with shrinkage or a validated low-rank test. If the
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noise estimate is zero/non-finite, `n` is insufficient, or rank assumptions
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fail, return `INSUFFICIENT_DATA` with required sample count. Never emit a
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traffic-light certificate from a zero threshold.
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6. **Separate refusal from harmful compliance.** Keep the cheap prefix detector
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as a diagnostic only. Add StrongREJECT and HarmBench-style response scoring,
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plus safety/non-refusal disagreement counts (refuse-then-answer,
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non-refusal-but-non-answer, and degenerate answer).
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7. **Persist the complete run manifest.** Include git commit, HF revision,
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architecture manifest, split IDs, seed, direction statistics, candidate
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kernels, exact modified tensors, pre/post metrics, correction history, and
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checkpoint digest.
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#### P0 tests
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- synthetic distributions with known KL values and budget boundary tests;
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- optimizer never reads final-test examples;
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- exact rollback restores tensor hashes within declared dtype tolerance;
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- UI color/gate agrees with the configured budget at below/equal/above cases;
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- zero/rank-deficient covariance returns `INSUFFICIENT_DATA`;
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- spectral tests with injected spikes recover known signal rank;
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- refusal detector fixtures cover refusal-then-comply and evasive non-answers;
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- split leakage and duplicate/paraphrase-family leakage tests;
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- Qwen3.8 manifest test asserts 48 DeltaNet, 16 full-attention, and 64 MLP sites.
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### P1 -- cheap causal prescreening
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Add an activation-hook mode that does not mutate or save weights. Cache
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activations once, then evaluate interventions on held-out prompts.
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Search dimensions:
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1. Direction estimators: difference-in-means, SVD ranks 1--7, LEACE as an
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experimental comparator, and RDO.
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2. Layer bands: individual layer sweep, 40--70% depth window, current
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`middle60`, and learned sparse kernels.
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3. Architecture groups: DeltaNet-only, full-attention-only, MLP-only,
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DeltaNet+MLP, full-attention+MLP, and all residual writers.
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4. Component strengths: independent bounded kernels for DeltaNet/full-attention
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output and MLP down projections.
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5. Stability: at least five stratified bootstrap direction estimates; record
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subspace angles/cosines and behavior variance across seeds.
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Use multi-objective search over held-out refusal/compliance, sequence KL,
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perplexity ratio, and capability loss. Keep the entire nondominated frontier;
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do not collapse the study to one scalar score until an operator selects the
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tradeoff. Start with 100 trials, then extend the promising family to 256--512.
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#### P1 tests
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- hook intervention and equivalent weight projection agree on a tiny model;
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- cached and uncached evaluation produce the same deterministic metrics;
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- architecture-group masks touch only their declared Qwen3.8 layer types;
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- seeded search is reproducible and resumes without repeating completed trials;
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- Pareto-front calculation retains all and only nondominated candidates;
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- bootstrap instability blocks promotion even when mean refusal is low.
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### P2 -- model-specific candidate methods
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Run these as ablations, in order:
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1. **Single-direction causal baseline.** Difference-in-means at candidate layers,
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mirroring the well-established Arditi baseline. This is the control that the
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current four-direction SVD run lacks.
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2. **Multi-direction causal selection.** Select SVD/RDO directions by held-out
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causal effect and joint complementarity. Do not assume top singular values
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are the best joint intervention.
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3. **RDO.** Optimize ablation, refusal-addition, and harmless-retention losses on
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disjoint train/validation data. Compare one RDO direction and a small
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representationally independent set.
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4. **SOM/concept-cone candidate search.** Only after the evaluator is stable;
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use the published multi-direction setup as a methodological reference, not
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as a promise that Qwen3.8 behaves like Qwen2.5.
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5. **LEACE comparator.** Treat as experimental because its formal guarantee is
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linear concept removal with minimum representation change, not specifically
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refusal removal or capability preservation in this hybrid architecture.
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6. **SAE-denoised directions.** Defer until a validated Qwen3.8 layer-specific
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SAE exists or is trained. Rank features by causal output influence, not
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activation contrast alone. Generic/unvalidated SAE masking must remain
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blocked for promotion runs.
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Do not combine RDO, SAE masking, head surgery, inversion, spectral cascade,
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embedding projection, and activation steering in one experiment. Each candidate
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method needs an isolated ablation and an interaction test before composition.
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### P3 -- permanent write and release qualification
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1. Choose a Pareto candidate from P1/P2.
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2. Apply it once in FP32 math to the pristine BF16 checkpoint.
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3. Verify runtime-hook equivalence before saving.
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4. Run the final untouched evaluation suite.
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5. Save atomically with sufficient disk headroom and an experiment manifest.
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6. Reload from the saved local path and repeat deterministic smoke, refusal,
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capability, and hash/architecture checks.
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7. Quantize only after the BF16 checkpoint passes. Evaluate quantization delta
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as a separate experiment rather than attributing it to refusal surgery.
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## Experiment suite
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| ID | Question | Train/tune setup | Intervention | Promotion criterion |
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| E00 | Is the pristine evaluator stable? | final-test only, 3 seeds | none | metric variance and baselines recorded |
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| E01 | Does the Arditi control work? | 400/100 | DIM, one layer/direction sweep | lower refusal with <=1.25x PPL |
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| E02 | How much data is needed? | 33/64/128/256/400 | fixed DIM/SVD setup | direction and outcome stability plateau |
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| E03 | Which architecture component carries refusal? | 400/100 | DeltaNet vs full-attn vs MLP groups | best causal effect per KL unit |
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| E04 | Does SVD rank help? | 400/100 | k=1..7, joint held-out selection | nondominated gain over E01 |
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| E05 | Does RDO improve targeting? | 400/100 | one and multiple RDO directions | held-out gain over E01/E04 |
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| E06 | Do concept-cone combinations help? | large corpus + 128--512 trials | SOM/independent combinations | reproducible gain over E05 |
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| E07 | Does LEACE preserve utility better? | same split as E04 | LEACE comparator | lower KL at matched refusal |
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| E08 | Are SAE features causal? | only with validated SAE | output-score-filtered features | gain over raw activation features |
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| E09 | Does permanent surgery match hooks? | winning kernel | FP32 weight write | metric equivalence within tolerance |
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| E10 | Does quantization preserve the result? | untouched final test | BF16 vs FP8/4-bit | separately declared delta passes |
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For every experiment, report confidence intervals and per-stratum results. A
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single aggregate refusal percentage is insufficient: the current run ranged
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from 60% refusal in S2 to 100% in several other strata.
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## Evaluation suite
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### Refusal and compliance
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- internal corpus final-test split, stratified and held out;
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- JailbreakBench for standardized behaviors and templates;
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- HarmBench classifier-based harmful-compliance scoring;
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- StrongREJECT for answer usefulness rather than empty compliance;
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- SORRY-Bench for fine-grained refusal styles;
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- XSTest safe/unsafe pairs for over-refusal calibration;
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- WildGuard or an equivalent validated classifier as a secondary scorer;
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- a blinded human audit sample for scorer disagreement.
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### Capability preservation
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- pristine-relative perplexity on a larger, immutable text sample;
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- sequence-level KL, not first token alone;
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- deterministic factual/coherence prompts;
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- MMLU/ARC-style knowledge subset;
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- GSM8K-style reasoning subset with thinking mode explicitly controlled;
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- HumanEval/MBPP-style coding subset;
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- JSON schema, tool calling, and instruction-following checks;
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- long-context and recurrent-state checks specific to Gated DeltaNet;
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- text-only regression plus a separate multimodal smoke test so text surgery
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does not silently break the native vision-language wrapper.
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## Recommended next operational run
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Do not treat another 54 GB permanent checkpoint as the next experiment. After
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P0 and hook-mode P1 exist, run E00--E03 first. If an immediate pre-fix diagnostic
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is unavoidable, use the last stable settings but increase direction-training
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volume to at least 256 pairs, keep all destructive optional techniques off, and
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do not promote or publish the output because the current KL and spectral gates
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are not trustworthy enough for release qualification.
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## Evidence base
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Local corpus sources consulted:
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- REF-188, *Refusal in Language Models Is Mediated by a Single Direction*
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(GRADE HIGH, NeurIPS 2024).
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- REF-233, *Representation Engineering* (corpus grade VERY HIGH).
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- REF-217, *Contrastive Activation Addition* (corpus grade HIGH).
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- REF-228, *Activation Addition* (corpus grade HIGH).
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- REF-535, *HarmBench* (corpus grade HIGH).
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- REF-366, *Denoising Concept Vectors with SAEs* (corpus grade HIGH, preprint).
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- REF-367, *SAEs Are Good for Steering--If You Select the Right Features*
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(corpus grade HIGH, preprint).
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Primary external sources:
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- [Arditi et al., Refusal in Language Models Is Mediated by a Single Direction](https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.11717)
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- [Wollschlaeger et al., The Geometry of Refusal in Large Language Models](https://proceedings.mlr.press/v267/wollschlager25a.html)
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- [Pan et al., SOM Directions Are Better than One](https://ojs.aaai.org/index.php/AAAI/article/view/40551)
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- [Joad et al., There Is More to Refusal in Large Language Models than a Single Direction](https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.02132)
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- [Belrose et al., LEACE](https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.03819)
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- [Mazeika et al., HarmBench](https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.04249)
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- [Souly et al., StrongREJECT](https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.10260)
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- [Chao et al., JailbreakBench](https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.01318)
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- [Xie et al., SORRY-Bench](https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.14598)
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- [Roettger et al., XSTest](https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.01263)
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- [Han et al., WildGuard](https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.18495)
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- [Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B official model card](https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B)
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## Evidence limits
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- No cited refusal-surgery paper evaluates Qwen3.8-27B specifically; all
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architecture-specific recommendations are hypotheses to test.
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- The multi-direction and 2026 refusal-taxonomy papers are recent; independent
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replication is limited.
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- LEACE guarantees linear erasure under its assumptions, not behavioral
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success or preservation of all downstream capabilities.
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- SAE findings depend on model- and layer-specific dictionaries. They do not
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validate OBLITERATUS's generic SAE masking on Qwen3.8.
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- Refusal removal and harmful-response usefulness are different outcomes;
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benchmark scorers can disagree and require human audit.
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{
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"protocol": "qwen38-v1",
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"objective": {
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"held_out_refusal_rate_exclusive_max": 0.30,
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"held_out_coherence_inclusive_min": 0.80
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},
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"dataset": {
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"identifier": "builtin",
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"pairs": 842,
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"strata": 7,
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"split": {
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"direction_train": 500,
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"optimizer_tune": 142,
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"final_test": 200
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},
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"seed": "obliteratus:qwen38:v1"
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},
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"stopping_rules": {
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"promotion_requires_saved_reload": true,
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"test_split_may_be_evaluated_once_per_candidate": true,
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"test_split_may_not_select_or_tune_candidates": true,
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"reject_non_finite_metrics": true,
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"retain_all_run_records": true
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},
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"experiments": [
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{
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"id": "E00",
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"purpose": "pristine evaluator control",
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"mutation": "none"
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},
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{
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"id": "E01",
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"purpose": "single-direction causal baseline",
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"method": "qwen38_e01",
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"direction_method": "diff_means",
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"directions": 1,
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"layer_selection": "all_except_first",
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"projection_target": "attention",
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"regularization": 0.0,
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"norm_preserve": false,
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"refinement_passes": 1
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},
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{
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"id": "E02",
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"purpose": "direction training-volume ablation",
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"depends_on": "E01"
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},
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{
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"id": "E03",
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"purpose": "DeltaNet/full-attention/MLP writer ablation",
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"depends_on": "E01"
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}
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]
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}
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